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i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in defense. it doesn't indicate what missions are going to be no longer what, programs we're going to kim. i mean, we really have to be stupid to be doing that. >> so irresponsible. >> not knowing where the cuts are hitting. >> right. >> for the security of this country. >> i agree. >> so, therefore, you're going to get some agreement. maybe it's january 5th, maybe it's december 30th, january 10th, but it will probably be a band-aid agreement. that's the problem. this isn't going to be one of these long-term deficit reduction, credible agreements that does tax reform
i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in...
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fiscal cliff and all of the other stuff. great story on the front page of wall street journal today talking about portfolio pumping. another example of investors thinking they're not getting a fair shake out of the stock market. >> larry, you call that complacency, don't you? >> that's right. i'm actually shocked that these investors appear to be asleep at the switch in light of the fiscal fiasco looming in less than a month. you would think investors saying their concerns would be running for the hills or at least buying portfolio protection to protect themselves against potential disaster. we see the vix very low. they're not taking the type of defensive, decisive action. if we get a downgrade and if this happens, it will be terrible for the market. that's what's potentially on the market, if we don't make a deal in washington. >> scott, let me ask you again how you want to allocate capital then in that environment. i know george young is with us again, joining the conversation. i want to ask you the same question. go ahea
fiscal cliff and all of the other stuff. great story on the front page of wall street journal today talking about portfolio pumping. another example of investors thinking they're not getting a fair shake out of the stock market. >> larry, you call that complacency, don't you? >> that's right. i'm actually shocked that these investors appear to be asleep at the switch in light of the fiscal fiasco looming in less than a month. you would think investors saying their concerns would be...
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>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat thes
>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to...
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what should the transition to the fiscal cliff here? are you sleeping nights thinking about all this? or how are you viewing what's going on in washington right now? >> people ask me what keeps me awake at night. i said nothing is important to keep me awake at night. that doesn't really advance the ball, one might say. you know, i can see the outlines of the fiscal cliff being avoided right now. reading a little bit behind the scenes. all i'm doing is paying attention to what's going on out there. i don't have the inside information or anything. but it has to be done. it has to be fixed. and i assume it will be. and i often quote churchill. maybe even on your show once, bill. that said americans always do the right thing but only after they've tried everything else. so we've tried everything else. that leaves us for the right thing which is some tax increases and some cuts in long-term benefits, medicare, social security, and so on. >> in which case and i hate saying this because it obviously shoots ourselves in the foot. are you advoca
what should the transition to the fiscal cliff here? are you sleeping nights thinking about all this? or how are you viewing what's going on in washington right now? >> people ask me what keeps me awake at night. i said nothing is important to keep me awake at night. that doesn't really advance the ball, one might say. you know, i can see the outlines of the fiscal cliff being avoided right now. reading a little bit behind the scenes. all i'm doing is paying attention to what's going on...
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stocks rallying on the on the missile that perhaps we are nearing a fiscal cliff deal. coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today,
stocks rallying on the on the missile that perhaps we are nearing a fiscal cliff deal. coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour,...
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all to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. just in case, though, we've got some experts on happened to help you protect your money. here's how we stand right now, though. it's been a generally positive day for some of the blue chip averages. the dow among them. up 57 points right now, near the highs of the session at 13,003 and change. the nasdaq continues lower. you can blame apple. technology suffering as a result today, down 12 points right now at 2977. the s&p is up 2.25 points at 1416. with less than an hour to go in the trading week, another week without a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. while today's positive jobs report did give markets a boost early on, it wasn't enough to get a significant rally going and to continue it on. so what's it going to take to get some conviction back in this market? >> that's in today's "closing bell" exchange. gentlemen, great to have you joining us here on "closing bell." i think bill pretty much cede it. what is it going to take to get conviction back in this market? i kind o
all to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. just in case, though, we've got some experts on happened to help you protect your money. here's how we stand right now, though. it's been a generally positive day for some of the blue chip averages. the dow among them. up 57 points right now, near the highs of the session at 13,003 and change. the nasdaq continues lower. you can blame apple. technology suffering as a result today, down 12 points right now at 2977. the s&p is up 2.25 points at...
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how helpful would it be to see as part of the fiscal cliff resolution some near-term stimulus? the president's proposed that. do you think -- how helpful do you think that would be, and i'll ask my followup now? whatever happened to your southern accent? >> well, on the second one i'd like to think i'm bilingual. when i go home, sometimes it comes out pretty strongly, but i won't try to do that here. so i try to be careful, as you know, not to give views on specific tax-and-spending programs. i think, of course, obviously those are the province of the administration and congress. the attitude i've taken has been that at a minimum congress should try to do no harm, that they should try to avoid policies that -- that significantly slow or derail the recovery at this point, so i think that's the critical thing, along with the long-term objective of achieving a sustainable fiscal path. now, given that basic -- that basic recommendation, you know, congress can consider variations. for example, if they believe that they can achieve a strong, credible future path for fiscal policy, th
how helpful would it be to see as part of the fiscal cliff resolution some near-term stimulus? the president's proposed that. do you think -- how helpful do you think that would be, and i'll ask my followup now? whatever happened to your southern accent? >> well, on the second one i'd like to think i'm bilingual. when i go home, sometimes it comes out pretty strongly, but i won't try to do that here. so i try to be careful, as you know, not to give views on specific tax-and-spending...
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we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes going much higher. what will that do to the investor class, to the entrepreneurialism that we're seeing
we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it...
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we're asking for solutions to the fiscal cliff. joining me now is alan greenspan, former federal reserve chairman and now with greenspan associates. nice to have you back on the program. >> nice to be here. >> thanks so much for joining us. you have said there's no painless solution to the fiscal cliff here. what do you think the best possible outcome could be? >> the best possible outcome as far as i can see is to take something like simpso/bowles that came out originally and get the issue resolved. i've never seen anything like this. >> you've been around a long time and seen lots of parties fight. >> they always come to go. the difference now is that -- not that there are more differences than unusual. if you go back, there's a lot of data that suggests this is not unusual. what is unusual is the republicans don't speak to the democrats and vice versa? back then, i mean, not that far. >> they went to dipper and went to lunch and discussed issues. >> when i was in the white house, tip o'neill and jerry ford used to be at each oth
we're asking for solutions to the fiscal cliff. joining me now is alan greenspan, former federal reserve chairman and now with greenspan associates. nice to have you back on the program. >> nice to be here. >> thanks so much for joining us. you have said there's no painless solution to the fiscal cliff here. what do you think the best possible outcome could be? >> the best possible outcome as far as i can see is to take something like simpso/bowles that came out originally and...
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speaspeaker they begin now untie are near the fiscal cliff. mortgage rates three and a quarter percent. buyers have been on the sidelines for five years and anxiously been waiting for better news, more consumer confidence to come back out. we had a great spring selling season. now we are selling into the winter. it all feels good. liz: that doesn't usually happen with this much muscle. are there any log jams, or our would-be buyers getting the credit they need to buy the homes? >> our clients can get mortgages. our buyers tend to put a lot more money down. they mortgage a lot less, very high credit ratings. we are not seeing that problem at all. lower price point a little bit of a problem but it is getting better. liz: when you look at parts of the business that have done well. the analyst has taken a bit of a back seat to the actual lending business creating a cash cow for a lot of you guys. how is that doing and we understand the margins are very healthy for a lot of these names that are out there? >> our service is toll brothers, the only c
speaspeaker they begin now untie are near the fiscal cliff. mortgage rates three and a quarter percent. buyers have been on the sidelines for five years and anxiously been waiting for better news, more consumer confidence to come back out. we had a great spring selling season. now we are selling into the winter. it all feels good. liz: that doesn't usually happen with this much muscle. are there any log jams, or our would-be buyers getting the credit they need to buy the homes? >> our...
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. >>> up next, tick tock on the fiscal cliff. president obama and house speaker john boehner meeting at the white house just minutes from now. my thoughts on the talks, the fed, and that cliff hanger, right after this. let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like liberty and rock 'n' roll. to free markets, free enterprise, and free refills. it put a man on the moon and a phone in your pocket. our country's gone through a lot over the centuries and a half. but this idea isn't fragile. when times get tough, it rallies us as one. every day, more people believe in the american idea and when they do, the dream comes true. we're grateful to be a part of it. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they ji
. >>> up next, tick tock on the fiscal cliff. president obama and house speaker john boehner meeting at the white house just minutes from now. my thoughts on the talks, the fed, and that cliff hanger, right after this. let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like liberty and rock 'n' roll. to free markets, free enterprise, and...
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it is the fiscal cliff. if we go over that, if all the tax cuts expire, if we have the sequester, if we don't extend payroll tax relief and unemployment benefits, we will end up at the end of 2013 with about over 3 million fewer jobs than we would have had otherwise. just imagine that. the fiscal cliff is going cost the economy in that order of magnitude, 3 million jobs. we should not, not, not go over that cliff. now -- >> by the same token, though, his point about -- and i don't want to make this about ed. the fact remains that the debt levels we have in this country in effect put a cap on growth right now. >> sure, sure, sure. i think that economists have been saying for years -- i have said repeatedly, economists on both sides of the aisle have said repeatedly what we need is a long-term plan for deficit reduction that begins to take effect when the economy is closer to its capacity. right now it's at least 6% below its capacity. the unemployment rate, 7.7, it should be like 5.7 at capacity. we should no
it is the fiscal cliff. if we go over that, if all the tax cuts expire, if we have the sequester, if we don't extend payroll tax relief and unemployment benefits, we will end up at the end of 2013 with about over 3 million fewer jobs than we would have had otherwise. just imagine that. the fiscal cliff is going cost the economy in that order of magnitude, 3 million jobs. we should not, not, not go over that cliff. now -- >> by the same token, though, his point about -- and i don't want to...
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fiscal cliff, obviously dominant on the scene. no major events, as i see them scheduled those there will be some of the joint committee in congress on thursday, talks about some of the outcomes, should we go over fiscal cliff. and then looking beyond that, really, it's really about the euro zone and keep an eye out. we have meetings going on wednesday, thursday, friday. >> got it. chad, what about you? >> bill and mandy, three things to watch for tomorrow. as your previous guest said, wholesale inventory number. you have to watch that, if you start to see a long-term trend where the companies are building inventories, that's something more ominous to the economy. the small business index coming out tomorrow. that, of course, should show a gradual increase in its pace. and the federal reserve is starting their meetings tomorrow, so, for wednesday, we're expecting an additional $40 billion every month of additional treasury purchases to take place on the operation twist. >> jennifer, 30 seconds. what do you see tomorrow? >> yeah, we
fiscal cliff, obviously dominant on the scene. no major events, as i see them scheduled those there will be some of the joint committee in congress on thursday, talks about some of the outcomes, should we go over fiscal cliff. and then looking beyond that, really, it's really about the euro zone and keep an eye out. we have meetings going on wednesday, thursday, friday. >> got it. chad, what about you? >> bill and mandy, three things to watch for tomorrow. as your previous guest...
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peter, to you first. >> not the fiscal cliff. not today. just a day at a meeting speaker john boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house would not disclose any details of the meeting with the president and the speaker yesterday. both sides confirming communications are open. speaker john boehner saying discussions are taking place. liz: maybe the fact they're keeping quiet may mean something is really going to happen. keep dreaming. >> does politics have to watch out what is happening in silicon valley. apple and google compete on so many different rounds. but they're actually coming together to co-compete on a bid for the patents that kodak holds. 1100 patents, half a billion dollars. they realize instea
peter, to you first. >> not the fiscal cliff. not today. just a day at a meeting speaker john boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house...
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>> the major impact is looking at the fiscal cliff. any compromise close to that is going to give the market some upward swing. the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane sandy which could put our unemployment up to an 8% rate. >> all right. we'll be watching that. thanks very much to you both. we appreciate it. of course we'll be looking at this market and whether or not it loses the steam come the big rally today. ticktock, ticktock on the fiscal cliff. my thoughts on the story from timothy geithner. guess what, folks. i think we're going over the cliff. back in a moment. are system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where
>> the major impact is looking at the fiscal cliff. any compromise close to that is going to give the market some upward swing. the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane...
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the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the fiscal cliff starts getting resolved, you will see some buying going on. cheryl: bobby, i want to go back to you about europe. we have not had a lot of problees. seems like the greeks are kind to getting things. >> the last few days, europe markets have been pretty strong. as you said, a sleeping giant. cheryl: i do not want to see anything change. it has been nice. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. great floor show today. uncertainty seems to be the norm in washington these days. last year you have the debt ceiling convey. congress had trouble pu
the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the...
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you look at fiscal cliff and what's going on in europe. they are standing on guard ready to make decisions very quickly, so when the survey was done. fiscal cliff didn't seem to have as much energy around t.each day that passes we're hearing from our clients, we're going to hold off and we have to make sure. it's really the quickness in which they can do this. >> i was going to ask you if you did that survey today, i wonder whether or not the hiring plans would be a little bit different. if we go into recession or are go over the cliff, what do you think the survey results would look like? >> it's a great question, and, you know, of course, you can't get down to what those 18,000 employers would really say now because some still have demand and some would be less impacted and more impacted. we look at our clients and what they are trying to do right now. 27% in this survey said there would be no change, and the reason this number is high and higher than we've seen, they are holding their hands tight. okay. what do i do? don't know what to
you look at fiscal cliff and what's going on in europe. they are standing on guard ready to make decisions very quickly, so when the survey was done. fiscal cliff didn't seem to have as much energy around t.each day that passes we're hearing from our clients, we're going to hold off and we have to make sure. it's really the quickness in which they can do this. >> i was going to ask you if you did that survey today, i wonder whether or not the hiring plans would be a little bit different....
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we are always talking about fiscal cliff but what about housing? is everything in your portfolio still depend on a recovery or is having an overall market driver lost its punch? liz and saunders, chief investment strategist at charles schwab and which sidles through and why she thinks the recovery is just beginning. this company depends on you making trades for your portfolio and so far you the retail investor are still on the sidelines. td ameritrade joe moakley weighs in on that, on whether the age of the supersized bank is over and the massive life change he made off of the sidelines and into a real football game. let's get to the floor show. we have freighters at the stock exchange, cme group and nynex. give me your thoughts. we go through grinding higher as far as the broader markets are concerned except for the russell which is looking weaker right now. just turned positive. we are all green for the major indices. does this continue through tomorrow? >> hard to tell. if you look at the way the markets have traded on an intraday basis we have
we are always talking about fiscal cliff but what about housing? is everything in your portfolio still depend on a recovery or is having an overall market driver lost its punch? liz and saunders, chief investment strategist at charles schwab and which sidles through and why she thinks the recovery is just beginning. this company depends on you making trades for your portfolio and so far you the retail investor are still on the sidelines. td ameritrade joe moakley weighs in on that, on whether...
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my next guest says the fiscal cliff is simply y2k fear. joining me now is a chief investment officer. we have had other people talk about it similar to y2k. why do you feel that it is not something to worry about right now, from an investor standpoint. >> first, i think the deal is already settled in was settled a while back. everyone who has negotiated knows that is what goes on. from an investor point of view, i think you will find that the tax rates don't go crazy like everyone thinks. the dividend taxes, for example, you will have 23.5%. all of these captains of industries, what happens when it turned and looked around and say it really was not such a big thing. what will they do? will they go away from dividends and not have anything that has interest. liz: even with a potentially higher tax rate, you are still getting more than 1.6% or 1.7%. >> exactly. look at how many times in history we have had higher dividend taxes. the rate will hit around 20%. it could go as high as 36 or 39%. with that said, 200 companies, roughly, are accele
my next guest says the fiscal cliff is simply y2k fear. joining me now is a chief investment officer. we have had other people talk about it similar to y2k. why do you feel that it is not something to worry about right now, from an investor standpoint. >> first, i think the deal is already settled in was settled a while back. everyone who has negotiated knows that is what goes on. from an investor point of view, i think you will find that the tax rates don't go crazy like everyone thinks....
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wall street is very, very nervouu about the future even if we don't hit the fiscal cliff. wall street sort of fantasy would be to impose simpson-bowles. you do a radical change, close all the loopholes, that is probably not going to happen. we're lucky if we get some sort of a deal to get us beyond the fiscal cliff and budget cuts kick in. even take that out of it, they are just increasingly pessimistic about the future. tracy: you have dodd-frank coming, regulations for which you have to appear. >> morgan stanley is not cutting medicare, that is what happens with the fiscal cliff. liz: i think they took our comments from when citigroup led off people and said don't do that in december, we have to do it, and do it in november. >> he is a good guy. totally opposite, very rational, nice, smart guy. he does have a firm to run. and he has economic realities, giving you the economic realities of morgan stanley. i hear there could be cuts there as well. i don't think morgan stanley will go a deep as citigroup. i think they will do a little bit. we should also point out one other
wall street is very, very nervouu about the future even if we don't hit the fiscal cliff. wall street sort of fantasy would be to impose simpson-bowles. you do a radical change, close all the loopholes, that is probably not going to happen. we're lucky if we get some sort of a deal to get us beyond the fiscal cliff and budget cuts kick in. even take that out of it, they are just increasingly pessimistic about the future. tracy: you have dodd-frank coming, regulations for which you have to...
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liz: what about the fiscal cliff and if it affected me go over, are you changing investments in that regard? >> no, we are not changing that as well because it is baked in for a large extent. even if it does go over, really don't think it is a big deal. liz: we love you, but why are you saying it is baked in when we were up, john boehner comes out and speaks and we fall. look at an intraday of any one of the major indices and that is exactly what we see. they punch of green at the open and we were fine until he started talking with the fact we may not get a deal, there is a big impasse. >> little at the beginning i really think what is overshadowing this is the fed is saying they will stay in the game until we have a much lower unemployment rate telling me they're expecting a recession, which we're expecting anyway if we go over the cliff.% liz: where are you putting your clients money right now? the last time you were here, you are staying away from the overseas market. do you still feel that way? >> yes, very much. financials we think we'll have a good year next year. it is a good
liz: what about the fiscal cliff and if it affected me go over, are you changing investments in that regard? >> no, we are not changing that as well because it is baked in for a large extent. even if it does go over, really don't think it is a big deal. liz: we love you, but why are you saying it is baked in when we were up, john boehner comes out and speaks and we fall. look at an intraday of any one of the major indices and that is exactly what we see. they punch of green at the open...